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Post by Dubsounds on Sept 23, 2006 12:28:27 GMT
Any comments and/or suggestions will be welcome below
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Post by rpb1966 on Sept 23, 2006 21:35:53 GMT
My thoughts on this is clearly as stated in the other poll about how are you doing.....BUT!!!!!
OK there maybe abit of work that could possibly be done to improve or add a new section or so, but that happens on all forums to keep people interested and things afresh without going stale, but keeping things as they are is fine, but if you add too many sections to a forum, it does confuse some folk and it puts them off posting, and I have seen this happen all too often.
Shaun I only know too well how time consuming, the amount of work, the running costs are etc.....you have also supplied us with lots of goodies on which are from your own private collection (samples) we are truely grateful for this....how many owners do that for free?....not many!!!!!
But I know some owners say "Running a site/forum like this, is it really worth it"?.
Well tbh mate I have too say `yes`, but how about a yearly subsciption to help with the cost of running the site!!!!, I`d like others would contribute and of course what you said over the phone earlier made alot of sense mate.
This is a really good forum, which may need the odd change here or there, but it does not need a major overhall, and if it aint broke, dont fix it.
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Post by Dubsounds on Sept 23, 2006 22:28:04 GMT
I'm never going to charge anyone to use this site Russ but I apreciate your considered thoughts. I am toying with the idea of making some of the new samples sets available for a fee via paypal though. To put it bluntly, a very good friend of mine asked what I was doing with all the material I've added to the site recently and called me a "fucking mug" #goofy# I still need a lot of thought on that
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Post by vortex on Sept 24, 2006 2:06:05 GMT
You're doing fine pal. Don't mistake quantity for quality ( perhaps that's something I should bare in mind as a significant number of my post fail to generate much interest ). Most of us know afenet where the majority of posts are from a witless vocal minority and amount to little more than calling each other c*nts, edit these out and there's not a great deal left. I've long since lost interest. I agree that to the casual passer by the ownership/worship of the polymoog might seem mandatory. Personally that seems a no brainer, but I can see why some might not take the time to delve deeper. A new sign on the front door might be called for. Theres a shed load happening out there in terms of old and new analogue synths. ( I've just bought my first Blacet module) I imagine theres plenty of people who would benfit from joinÃng this forum if they knew of it. The Blacet e-mail discussion list seems reasonably active! Thoughts If anybody has the time I'd like to hear samples of VST's versus real synth to see how close, or not, theyre getting', Have people become overly reluctant to mention Numan?? Lets face it you can't on afenet without getting flamed and it is an area of significant common ground. Perhaps a discrete dark corner for such matters I'd still like to hear a sound off between a jupiter 6 and 8 just to see how different they are
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Post by Dubsounds on Sept 24, 2006 3:25:14 GMT
Cheers Joe ;D Have people become overly reluctant to mention Numan?? Lets face it you can't on afenet without getting flamed and it is an area of significant common ground. Perhaps a discrete dark corner for such matters That could have something to do with my dread of this becoming a spin-off Numan synth discussion forum. Having once run a Numan site, I feel it's like a skeleton in my closet and want to distance myself. I'd like this forum to be about ALL analogue electronic music. I have no interest in digital and no interest in Numan post 1985. I don't mind people asking what synth did Numan use on such a track but when all I see are threads about him, I get cross because there's a hell of a lot more interesting music to talk about (past & present) by other artists and to put it bluntly, Numan was a great songwriter who got damn lucky with a few excellent synth presets and a superb early band. I'd still like to hear a sound off between a jupiter 6 and 8 just to see how different they are That's too expensive a challenge for me Joe... and most of us on here I'll bet. Does anyone here actually own a Jup 8? I guess Martin will have one by the end of the year (I mean it is a gaping hole in his collection ). We had one at my old place but it was fucked so I never really had any decent time on one. Nice idea though. Maybe Andy could do his grey meanie versus the Arturia 2600? Grand ideas
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Post by rpb1966 on Sept 24, 2006 11:14:34 GMT
Shaun I know you wanna keep Dubsounds strictly analogue, does that mean VA`s are out as well mate?.
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Post by spoonz on Sept 24, 2006 11:37:10 GMT
I don't think it matters in terms oif song content Russ. If it sounds good use it. I must admit that i would find it difficult to get excited over sound clips of a modern digital synth cos i can go down the road and buy one myself. Not the case with most Analogue stuff.
Where i do show an interest is when people like yourself who have space limitations etc try and get close with what you have. To me that shows some talent and it's interesting just to see where you go with it.
On the Numan front The Touring Principle site covers that subject 100% so it's a clash for us to get into it to much here. That said the colaborations i enjoyed and coming up with gear suggestions for "That sound" will always be the holy Grail.
As i said to Shaun last night there is a danger of the site becoming a meeting place for 7 or 8 like minded people chatting whilst the other 150 have come and gone without comment. Why i'm not sure but many after samples and nothing else i'm sure. I think it may be worth dropping the technical aspect of things. Just keep it a fan site for the synths as many people may think they know nothing technically and are intimidated to post and look dim. Maybe Polymoog section should be just about the Polymoog usage and no fault finding or technical stuff. A Pm can ask a technical question without boring everyone else.
Just a few thoughts really.
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Post by Dubsounds on Sept 24, 2006 11:44:10 GMT
Shaun I know you wanna keep Dubsounds strictly analogue, does that mean VA`s are out as well mate?. Not at all Russell. It's the spirit of analogue. I think what I'm trying to say is I hate the Roland D-50 and the Korg M1 type of sound (I know those are easy targets). I think the "virtuals" are either good or bad but some are bloody storming. And yes! You can discuss your Nord To be honest, I couldn't care what people discuss on here (sos long as it doesn't get us shut-down by the provider). What I'm talking about is our "identity" being "analogue in spirit". My favourite VA at the moment is the SonicProjects OP-X but I also get turned on by the Minimonsta and a lot of the Arturia synths. Let's not forget my main workhorse VSTi either (an analogue/digital hybrid) the Linplug Albino 3. Everyone I know who uses it (Sensien from Belgium, Danny etc.) are the same as me. They find themselves going back to it all the time and its one of the fastest places to start. In Sensien's case, he uses it almost exclusively now. As for me, I use it for writing and if the sound is perfect, it stays. If not, I run round my outboard rig looking for something better. If that can't give me what I want, I go back to the Arturias etc. Hardly needs to be said as we all know what the place is about but if it needs to be spelled out to noobs or "the shy ones", if you weren't interested in this type of sound, you wouldn't have clicked on here anyway. DX-7 (2) FM-7 (6)
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Post by rpb1966 on Sept 24, 2006 16:49:35 GMT
I can understand why you like the SoniqProjects OP-X, I`ll most prob end up getting this next month, but what a price, and what a synth, I`ve been listening to the demo`s, after you played them down the phone. ;D
But getting back to the topic that this thread is about (I dont wanna hi-jack it) Will you be adding a VA section or a Soft Synth section at all in the near future?, alot of us do use them, well nearly all of us, and I think its a good subject to discuss.
Its just a thought, but I like the forum/site the way it is at the moment, and there are alot more topics to discuss other than Numan, alot more interesting subjects.
Just because Numan used the Polymoog it does not mean this has to be a Numan related site, I know you dont want that happening, and I can homestly say, I can understand why you dont want the Dubsounds forum turning out this way.
Russ
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Post by Dubsounds on Sept 24, 2006 17:25:23 GMT
I don't have any plans to cover VA's on the main site Russell. I think because they're quite current - there's plenty of coverage of them (including dedicated sites) on the net. What I want to add instead is vintage/classic hardware that is hard to find as, (let's face it) not a lot of general punters have ever heard them in isolation before. As for the forum, I don't think VSTi's need any special area. They can be discussed the same way as any hardware synth, by addressing the correct sections, i.e. gearfest / tech help etc. Hope that's ok
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Post by Dubsounds on Sept 24, 2006 17:28:18 GMT
But getting back to the topic that this thread is about (I dont wanna hi-jack it)... Russ, you're hardly hi-jacking mate. I love it when threads go off at tangents, just as conversations do in real-life. What you were talking about was hardly unrelated ;D
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Post by rpb1966 on Sept 25, 2006 5:51:57 GMT
But getting back to the topic that this thread is about (I dont wanna hi-jack it)... Russ, you're hardly hi-jacking mate. I love it when threads go off at tangents, just as conversations do in real-life. What you were talking about was hardly unrelated ;D OK mate no prob..........now let me think....ahhhhh!!!!!! right Shaun on the OP-x there seems to be a preset of the Vox Humana, does it sound any good mate #goofy# #gone#
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Post by Dubsounds on Sept 25, 2006 10:16:53 GMT
Shaun on the OP-x there seems to be a preset of the Vox Humana, does it sound any good mate It sounds nothing remotely like the VH mate but as wobbly saw patches go, it's pretty good. I really don't think it was intended to be a "replica" #geek#.
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Post by roper on Sept 25, 2006 14:17:57 GMT
What I like about this forum is the information and technical stuff which to be honest I haven't any idea what you lot are talking about most of the time.... but still the same love reading about it and how everything comes together..amazing stuff.. What can I offer to the forum Shaun? sod all I wouldn't even know how to turn a synth on and if I did would sit there all night with a finger on one note...so I would imagine theirs a lot of people out there just the same...love the forum but have nowhere to post (if you know what I mean) This ante ( if thats how you spell it ) talk of Numan does surprise me some what....from what I have read over the last past year on here no-ones saying how great (or not) numan is or wheres all the numan pic ect....no but just technical stuff on which synth or setting was used on what...nothing to make this any kind of Numan forum far from it...so why the big deal about Numan ? Its just a thought, but I like the forum/site the way it is at the moment, and there are alot more topics to discuss other than Numan, alot more interesting subjects. Just because Numan used the Polymoog it does not mean this has to be a Numan related site, I know you dont want that happening, and I can homestly say, I can understand why you dont want the Dubsounds forum turning out this way. Russ Yet another surprize...Russ you have spent most of your time trying to recreant the syth sounds to Numans " Metal " with no luck....you have spent your time doing Numan covers...then turn round and say " theres more interesting subjects".... most strange
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Post by vortex on Sept 25, 2006 19:06:41 GMT
yup its a thorny one. Everything that has been said about Numan on here is true, good and Bad, and yes it is not and should never be a dedicated Numan site. But within the last couple of days we've had a synth sample which was, once again, introduced with an apololgy for being Numan. The rest of the world is over it ( Numan bashing). Sonic state has a webcast covering Numan's career it seems unreasonable that we censor ourselves and become apologists.
Really thats all I call for I'd love to talk about any band which uses synths but that includes without any sense of akwardness..Numan. I really wouldn't seriously suggest a seperate area because its not merited (I was being ironic earlier) But c'mon is nobody going to tell me about the technical aspects of the forthcoming telekon gigs?
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Post by MrArkadin on Sept 25, 2006 20:21:13 GMT
If it wasn't for Numan i would never have bought my beloved SH-09 (1982?) and so it's unlikely that i would even be posting here, so i don't think we need any more apologists thank you. Sometimes Billy (God of Odys) Currie and Foxxy get mentioned and i would definitely like to see some others discussed. Maybe i should compile a list of synth pioneers of different eras, not just '70s/'80s (don't forget people like Derek May doing great techno in the '90s for instance). Of course if we could attract a broader range of synth users then we'd get more diversity.
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Post by spoonz on Sept 25, 2006 20:29:04 GMT
I think the apology certainly in my case was for my lack of imagination in not doing something more creative and reverting back to Numan. The easy option.
The intention of the sight was to attract synth enthusiasts in general and hitting the Numan topic too much just turns off anyone who either doesn't like him or doesn't care.
Sure i Love Numan from the analogue era but for my own sake i need to do something else and that's why i am shying away from it as a general topic. In the context of Synths it's very much on topic. It's the reason i own a Polymoog.
And your sight has it covered Steve really for the Numan topic in general so i go there for my Numan Fix.
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Post by dlm21uk on Sept 25, 2006 20:30:25 GMT
That sounds like a good idea - if you are up for it ? Could be insteresting.
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Post by roper on Sept 25, 2006 21:09:21 GMT
And your sight has it covered Steve really for the Numan topic in general so i go there for my Numan Fix. your missing my point Colin...what I'm saying is this forum is great for all the technical stuff that mine would be wasted on... I love to hear all about differant bands and whats thier used etc etc.... If I had a poly and wanted to know something where would I look ? This forum or mine ?......maybe Shaun should add a bit when you join up.." Ask anything about synths but nothing Numan used in the early day "
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Post by Dubsounds on Sept 25, 2006 21:13:02 GMT
I make no apologies for liking early Numan either but the reason I don't think we should have topics about Numan that aren't technical in nature is for precisely the reason colin has just outlined... The intention of the sight was to attract synth enthusiasts in general and hitting the Numan topic too much just turns off anyone who either doesn't like him or doesn't care. Also, Steve has a brilliant forum that specialises in more general Numan topics that would receive a better response there rather than here. To illustrate, talking about what synth was used on "Metal" is possibly too anoracky for Steve's site and although it may be of interest to some of his members, it would get some serious attention here. Discussions of Numan's back catalogue however are definatetly TTP territory. I'm a bit older than Antony and it was actually Radioactivity by Kraftwerk, followed by Moroder's production on Donna Summer's "I Feel Love" and JMJ's Oxygene album that gave me my earliest Synth hard-on's. I don't have any gratitude to Numan for bringing the synth to me personally but I think my obsession with Polymoogs is 100% due to his Pleasure Principle album - no doubt whatsoever! In my life, 79-81 was all about John Foxx, The Human League, Fad Gadget, OMD, Soft Cell, Bill Nelson and many other early Brit synth pop bands and I was a fully fledged Numanoid to boot. After that I discovered the early Industrial of Cabaret Voltaire, Throbbing Gristle etc and the streetsounds electro scene, hip-hop, dub reggae, funk, jazz, fusion, techno, and so on and onward... Musically, I'm wide open and I adore fucked up analogue sounds, whether they originate from the ganja fuelled psycosis of Lee Perry's Black Ark or Bill Laswell's fusion epics, I knows what I like and i want to talk about any and all aspects. I'm far from down, (or embarrased by) Numan but I want to see people here that love analogue - no matter when and where. To finish, I'd just like to say how brilliant it is to be having this discussion. This level of debate is EXACTLY what I want to see on here. Great stuff ;D
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