Session out-take2

[secretagent]

We are cutting down from a list of 7 tracks to perform at our forthcoming dubpod session.

THIS is a track we wrote especially for the session,but it has been dropped as i'm not sure about it.

It does stay in my head,but,i can't decide if i like it or not??

What do you lot think?

;D

[TheProdigy]

Somehow reminds me of Winter Kills #snigski#

It does wane for me a little then picks. I like all the little production bits in it but not the doubling effect on certain words when they come in early-ontime-late. But that's just my take.

Have I noticed that a lot of Lou's lyrics revolve around being let down?

Wish I could nockem'out like you guys

I'm in the Lake District around Easter doing some photography, doing any gigs?

[Dubsounds]

What's wrong with it?

I liked it ;D

Mark's point about the out of sync doubling on the vocals is valid though. Does Lou monitor herself when she overdubs? If so, I guess you just have to keep doing re-takes until it fits.

I suspect Lou might be a bit under rehearsed or more likely is doing all this as she goes along, hence her apparent unfamiliarity with her own timing?

I will say that Lou's voice just gets better and better with every session you do.

I'd prefer a lot more harmony though rather than using flat doubling. On the rare occasions she's done an interval, it sounds great. Once again, it can only happen with lots of preparation and practise.

Your best drum sounds to date BTW and I love the bit when you really go mad on the piano

Great oaks of little acorns and all that my little screamies ;D

[dlm21uk]

Sounds good Martin. Some lovely sounds in there and an interesting arrangement with lots of breaks and lifts etc.

It sounds like it needs more development, but a good track so far. I'd carry on working with it.

Lu sounds lovely too

[secretagent]

Cheers fellas ;D

It was written and recorded just to see what kind of feel i got for it,but i was unsure,so left it.

We listened to it again today for the first time in a week and we both thought it had something,so i shoved it on here for all you experts to give it the once over

Mark,we have a guest guitarist joining us for this london gig thing,so hopefully we will fit at least 1 gig in before june but it wouldn't be till mid may ;D

If you can handle 2 liquidscreamer songs in 1 night,the 3rd omitted track from the session rehearsals is at the liquidscreamer MYSPACE page. #sunny#

[vortex]

Loved the "I will bide my time/I will sit and wait bit" great complex mix of sounds, just the right amount of discordancy and even Lu's laugh which I guess was a "corpse" sounds manic and threatening.

For me though and I hesitate to use the word "verse" with your song structures (no dig intended ;D) the first half washed over me as just normal screamer fare but the chorus made me stop what I was doing an listen!!!

[secretagent]

THISis the updated version of the track

[vortex]

Just heard this on cacky computer speakers but 2 thumbs up so far. Is the old version still around for comparison?

[secretagent]

vortex said:

. Is the old version still around for comparison?

I've just made the original link live again joe ;D

[dlm21uk]

Sounding much more professional. There is alot going on at times, but I like the track. Defo got the screamer feel to it & the guitar is a nice addition to the screamer sound.

Keep on keeping on Martin/Lu ;D

[Dubsounds]

This is my second listen to the new version and I have to say that it was easier on the ears a second time around. I picked out more stuff this morning and there's quite a few clever little bits and pieces that I missed originally.

It's probably easier for me to fall into one of Martin's vivid analogies to describe my feelings about it.

This is a bit like a home-made pizza but something strange has happened. It starts of as a regular Screameroni Special but then someone put ice cream on it and then someone else threw on some curry sauce and then a bit of marmalade.

In other words, we have a lot of components that in their own right have a nice flavour but thrown together on this pizza base of a 3 minute song leaves me feeling like it just shouldn't all go together. Well not yet anyway. I think it would be better to break this up into separate courses?

I can't say there's anything bad about it because everything is good in it's own right but it also doesn't work as a whole (yet). I imagined Louise, Martin and the guitar bloke all being in separate studio's not listening to each other. All doing a good performance individually but the styles weren't sympathetic to each other. The three need to spend a lot more time together to get to that stage where they work as a band and feed off each other.

Sorry if this is a confusing a piece of feedback. I'm trying to articulate at far too early an hour in the morning on little sleep

[secretagent]

Some valid and useful(as always)points there dan/shaun ;D

The guitar situation at the moment is this:we meet up once every 6/8 weeks,i say"hey ,seddo,here's a couple of new songs,fancy putting some guitar on it?"

"yeah,what d'ya fancy?"

"what do you think?"

"I don't know,this?"whaa whoo wapa.

"that'll do"

So yes,the interaction needs to greatly improve before we can genuinely intergrate a guitar into our sound,but we are working on it

The structure is also an interesting area.

I love the film mulholland drive,it's full of classy parts that don't seem to belong to the same film,but somehow they work together.the structure really makes you concentrate to try and work out what is going on,which is what i'm trying to do with our structures and ingredients

But there is a fine line between people thinking "this is really intriguing"and "this is just a made up mess"

At the moment i'm wobbling on the tightrope,i just need to work on my balance

[Dubsounds]

Oh absolutely Martin.

*now awake and at work*

I love Nick Roeg films (Bad Timing, Don't Look Now, Man Who Fell To Earth... etc) and the first time you watch them they are very complex and disjointed (lots of understatement and leaping around the time-line). They work because you HAVE to watch them over and over and each time you gain more insight and pick up more subtle clues the director has left in each scene.

Now to compare that to music, I would say that it's perfectly feasible to adopt that approach but when you watch one of these films, although the editing appears to be out of sequence, the scenes are very clearly defined as unique elements. They come into your mind quite vividly and then you do the work in your head to piece them together in a way that makes sense to you. That interests me too Martin. Get the viewer/listener to do some of the work and possibly concoct their own unique interpretation.

I do believe that musical arrangements can be a little more complex than film directing in some ways. We not only have scenes (intro, verse, chorus and to a certain extent, bars and beats) but a lot of what we do is superimposed. Unlike a film, (man walks into a bar) we have any number of things playing on the audio "screen" at the same time, (vocals, drums, sounds). Now all of these things have to work in harmony together to suggest (surrealistically) an action and contain an emotion.

I've always liked the way you always try to stretch yourself Martin. Of course you get a bit ambitious at times and need to be reminded to simplify but at least you kick the formula habit and credit to you for that.

[vortex]

Quite a difference there. I think the guitar adds something as does the soaring polymoog arpeggio. I agree in part with shaun that some of the transitions sound too clunky like they've been cut and spliced. But the bottom line is I think it's great and you've achieved that most of elusive of things - A UNIQUE style and SOUND.

Americans have peanut butter and jelly so why can''t the screamies have pizza and ice scream. Tweak it all you want but I'll be keeping this version!