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Post by dlm21uk on Oct 3, 2006 20:06:47 GMT
Roll up Roll up and have a go at the remake of Conversation (Touring Principle stylie) Following on from the "Thought I'd have a go at..." thread (nice one). How about we club together and do as Colin suggested. i.e. a re-creation of Conversation - the Touring Principle live tour version ? I have got a close match on the live version of the minimoog bits, Colin said he could so the Vox Humana bits, but we need someone to do the bassline and someone to do the drums. Due to the offbeat (lazy style) drums on this live version (which makes it sound all the better in my opinion) then real drums would be best if possible. or someone who is clever at recreating the "non perfect timing" aspect of live drums Any takers ? This could be cool The sounds and style should match the live version rather than the studio "Pleasure Principle" version and any other contribution would be most welcome. How about we save the re-mastering for Mr Shaun himself (if he's up for it when he returns) rather than trying to master as we go - that way we can all concentrate on our own bits and leave the touch of magic till the end ? I;ve tweeked my minimoog sound patch and corrected a bum note - Here is a quick snippet, so check check da mown-eh! : Fat Boy! I'm ready to do my minimoog bits, but could do with the drums first. I've checked the tempo of the live version and studio one, the live is 112/113 bpm and the studio 113/114 bpm So how about we opt for a bmp of 113 ? #banana# #cool1# #drum# #glen# #rasta# #band# #beerchug# #maggot# #zongo# #guitman01# #goofy# PS. This isn't a compitition - just a bit of fun for anyone that wants to take part. ;D
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Post by Minimoog on Oct 3, 2006 21:03:29 GMT
The sounds and style should match the live version rather than the studio "Pleasure Principle" version and any other contribution would be most welcome. As a point of order I must remind you that the Radio One session version is by far the finest of this song. The minimoog absolutely rocks on that one and the band is tight as a gnat's chuff
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Post by dlm21uk on Oct 3, 2006 21:07:28 GMT
Any chance you can send me a wma or mp3 of that version. I cant find my peel sessions cd ;D
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Post by Minimoog on Oct 3, 2006 21:59:30 GMT
PM sent ;D
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Post by spoonz on Oct 3, 2006 22:55:26 GMT
Doesn't Russ Play drums or how about posting on TTP and seeing if Blair will step in. Shaun told me Blair is the son of Ced when it comes to copying the man himself.
Just a point i found out when trying to do a "live" copy of Airlane is that The band follows Ced's tempo and ced varied it mid song either deliberately or not and they without fail stuck to him like glue. I couldn't believe how much variation there was in the song.
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Post by dlm21uk on Oct 4, 2006 20:23:45 GMT
Thanks for the mp3 Jordan. How about we do a blend of the 2 versions and come up with something inbetween them both ? I like the lazy slightly out of time style drums on the Touring Principle version and the mini sounds a bit more agressive to me , but the Peel version has a wonderful feel to it as well (Especialy the vocal style - including the f*cked up bit at the end ) How about we all do our bits and leave the finishing touches to the re-master-er (hopefully Shaun ) ? What do other people think ?
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Post by dlm21uk on Oct 4, 2006 20:27:23 GMT
Great idea Colin, how fab would that be but I post so little on TTP that I don't know if my request would warrant a reply Would it be something you would be willing to ask on that site ? That's one of the things I love about that version. It sounds so unpredictable and raw. I find my head bobbing nearly everytime I listen to it. Ced was a CLASS drummer ;D
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Post by secretagent on Oct 5, 2006 5:42:03 GMT
What do other people think ? I maybe should keep this to myself,but seeing as you asked What's the point?i'm sorry to put a negative slope on the idea which,i'm sure you'd have alot of fun doing and it would sound good. But who's going to listen to the finished version that has taken so much time and effort when you can listen to any of numans versions. Wouldn't it be better if dan created a minimoog riff of his own then colin adds polymoog to fit then some drums etc,etc. That would create something to be proud of and very listenable rather than just recreating scenes from "the young ones"in the playground Go on,get out of the heated toddler pool and plunge headfirst off devils bridge during a flood ;D
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Post by Gavin on Oct 5, 2006 8:37:38 GMT
What do other people think ? I maybe should keep this to myself,but seeing as you asked What's the point?i'm sorry to put a negative slope on the idea which,i'm sure you'd have alot of fun doing and it would sound good. But who's going to listen to the finished version that has taken so much time and effort when you can listen to any of numans versions. Wouldn't it be better if dan created a minimoog riff of his own then colin adds polymoog to fit then some drums etc,etc. That would create something to be proud of and very listenable rather than just recreating scenes from "the young ones"in the playground Go on,get out of the heated toddler pool and plunge headfirst off devils bridge during a flood ;D I agree.
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Post by vortex on Oct 5, 2006 8:52:35 GMT
talk about pissing on bonfires... you post a riff and start a thread.
If some people are in the process of developing their techniques by emulation so be it. Now kiss and make up.
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Post by Gavin on Oct 5, 2006 10:01:20 GMT
Sorry. #sorry#
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Post by secretagent on Oct 5, 2006 12:23:12 GMT
If some people are in the process of developing their techniques by emulation so be it. Now kiss and make up. If you listen to anything posted by Dan,Col,etc.i'm sure you'll agree that their technique needs no developing. Maybe just a bit of imagination Like i said,i wasn't going to say anything,as everyone is entitled to do whatever they choose. But Dan asked for opinions ;D
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Post by spoonz on Oct 5, 2006 13:03:36 GMT
I agree and disagree in eqaul amounts Firstly it is an enjoyable process mostly. Secondly i have little or no writing talent and to be honest i don't enjoy the process of trying particularly. Just frustrates the hell out of me. Thirdly. i think my skills improve faster with the software etc if i just have the sound to concentrate on not whether i've written a pile of shit or not. Lastly. In principle yes you are completely right and that would be the more challenging and original thing to do but i pose this question. If i have no writing talent and no particular desire to be a song writer but should that mean that i don't bother doing anything for fear of boaring you cos if that's the case i'll get my coat and leave the subject to the more talented amongst you. By all means do this Dan or anyone else and i might be able to offer a riff or 2 that's original but that's about it. As to technique - heh i'm no expert granted not even close but i'm only aware of 1 or 2 pro's on this site
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Post by Dubsounds on Oct 5, 2006 13:34:57 GMT
As a matter of fact, I don't think you have anything to apologise for Gavin. I read your post this morning and agreed with you. You do have a "bull in a china shop" approach at times but you make me laugh which is a good thing. I've never seen the sense in making a carbon copy of a track. Just save yourself the bother and put the original on. That, and the fact that it actually takes 10 times as long to get everything sounding exactly the same (if you can - not always possible) as it would do to simply play it your own way. Having read Colin's post, my opinion is tempered somewhat. I can see exactly what he's saying. If you can't write or produce original arrangements, it may not be for lack of imagination at all... simply under-developed technique. Very definately a case of "each to their own" and I'm happy to support anything you guys want to do. Note: On the subject of Blair. YES he could produce an absolute stormer of a drum track but he has no facility to record his drums unless one of you is prepared to pay for studio time (bearing in mind, it takes half a day just to set up and get a half decent sound). I've used him in the past (and will continue to do so) but I've had him in a 24 track for a day and made the poor bugger do about 5 takes each of 10-15 songs on the fly. It's very vibey and stressed (in a productive way) but not something to be taken on lightly. Russell could do a drum track for you but he does use an electronic kit and is having problems with his wrists these days Gavin's a drummer too and has a studio facility (whether it's set up for live drums I don't know) but there are your options.
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Post by rpb1966 on Oct 5, 2006 14:01:08 GMT
Looks like I`ll have to stop watching Rusty Porn #goofy# #funny#
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Post by Minimoog on Oct 5, 2006 15:45:45 GMT
Col speaks for me too here, and puts my case far better than I could have. The concept 'all the gear, no idea' drapes rather too comfortably around my shoulders #sobbb# On the other hand, as long as the enjoyment of noodling outweighs the frustration of having no talent, I'll be keeping these moogs thankyouverymuch Anyway Shaun - your version of Complex is as close to a carbon of the original as anything I've heard in a long time #razz02#
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Post by spoonz on Oct 5, 2006 16:09:04 GMT
I'll put the Coversation idea down to a mistake and if Dan still wants too it can be for our consumption.
From my point of view why buy synths so aligned with your favourite artists if it's not to sound like your favourite artists? At least on occasion. What was the forst thing you all played when you got a Polymoog? Bing Crosby
I respect everyones point of view but you'll have to forgive me for not understanding it.
I also think that a more than a few people on this site might fall into the "i don't write i play for fun" group.
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Post by Dubsounds on Oct 5, 2006 16:14:56 GMT
Anyway Shaun - your version of Complex is as close to a carbon of the original as anything I've heard in a long time #razz02# Fuck you too ;D
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Post by spoonz on Oct 5, 2006 16:23:06 GMT
Anyway Shaun - your version of Complex is as close to a carbon of the original as anything I've heard in a long time #razz02# Fuck you too ;D Are you allowed to say that it public? #nonono#
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Post by Minimoog on Oct 5, 2006 16:24:47 GMT
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