ENDED: Oberheim OB-Xa,

[secretagent]

I,m watching this;Item number: 7381505924

Not going too high though.

[Dubsounds]

secretagent said:

I,m watching this;Item number: 7381505924

Not going too high though.

Think you might have too mate ;D

[secretagent]

I lost out on the jupiter 4(by £1)cos i was at work and the prophet 5 cos i was in bed.

So i feel i,m due a winner

[spoonz]

It's gonna get expensive. Hope you have deep pockets but wow if you get it.
seriously jealous. Very high on my wish list.

[secretagent]

Well i "won"it.

But i think i,ve been the victim of some skulduggery.

I put in a maximum bid of 2,000 euros.

Someone from then bid 1,300,1,500 and then 2,000euros but then stopped.

As the auction ended at 02.30 am i put in a higher maximum of 2,500 euros and went to bed.

I got up this morning to find i got it for 2,500euros.

The same bidder had bid 2,100,2,200,2,300,2,500 THEN
2,750 euros,WHICH HE THEN RETRACTED(obviously realising he had forced my maximum to be realised.

He was obviously in with the seller.

Wankers.

[Minimoog]

secretagent said:

The same bidder had bid 2,100,2,200,2,300,2,500 THEN
2,750 euros,WHICH HE THEN RETRACTED(obviously realising he had forced my maximum to be realised.

He was obviously in with the seller.

I'm not so sure about a con. Check the times the bids were placed.

Flanger8 matched your first bid of 2000. Then you bid 2500. All of Flanger8's subsequent bids up to 2500 were made after your bid of 2500. Only his 2750 bid came after your top bid. Looks to me like he beat your price, then got cold feet (couldn't really afford it? Realised it was twice the going rate?) and cancelled it. Flanger8's feedback history looks okay. Not many deals but a nice long spread of good reports over several years. Just like mine

So I don't think you've been had. In fact you could say you've been a bit lucky to get it cos if he hadn't cancelled it'd be gone. At least, that's just as likely an explanation as skullduggery.

Hope that cheers you up a bit!

Edit: I didn't really address your point about his bids 'realising your maximum bid'. I think if a shill wanted to do that they'd just bung in one figure like 5000 (or if they were dumber, 1,000,000) to winkle out the highest 'real' bid. The bidding pattern here looks pretty innocent to me (apart from the fact they should never have retracted in the first place of course). You'd like to think that ebay would oblige the seller to let the item go for the highest bid before the retracting bidder messed it up, but reading their rules, no chance.

[secretagent]

I,m not so sure jordan,
To my mind flanger8 never had any intention of buying.

The starting bid was 1,200 so i put in a maximum of 2000.

He bid up in hundreds till he matched my maximum but then stopped, which, if the auction ended then,meant i would of won.

He could of been waiting to pounce at the end which is why before i went to bed i upped my maximum to 2500,just for insurance

But this also added 20 euros to the current bid(i dont know why)so now flanger8 knows i have upped my bid.

Then he did the exact same thing as before by going up in hundreds till he found my maximum(although i think he just received the "you have been outbid"page when he hit 2500 hence the 2750 bid)

Once he realised this he has retracted.

This is what winds me up :-[What if i want to retract my 2500?

Shillers could get away with bidding 1,000,000 if they could retract straight away.

This flanger8 has gone from 1,200 to 2,500 and has not bid the final 1euro to win the item,

I have contacted ebay and if they kick me off for not paying,so be it.

But i have never seen anyone so blatantly bid just to get to someones maximum without having any intention of buying. ;D

[dlm21uk]

Tricky one ! Ebay have quite a strict polcy (so they say) on shrill bidding. If you tell them you think this has happened maybe they will investigate ? If it is the same person (with two ebay ID's) Ebay will be able to tell easily, the problem will be if it was "a mate" cos how can that be proved one way or the other.

I hope you get a resolution though, cos the OBX-a looks lovely.

[secretagent]

I,ve just read e-bays rules on retractions and you can,t do it (unless for example you accidently add an extra zero etc.which is not the case here)

Iam 100% sure if my maximum was 3,000 euros flanger8 would of reached it and stopped thus forcing my maximum to be my bid(this is what i meant by being realised,not just so they would know my maximum but so i had to pay my maximum)

If it was a fair one against one(or two,three)auction i would pay the winning bid no problem but i feel someone is taking the piss.

[Minimoog]

First off I agree 100% that it sucks an enormous glistening one to have to pay 500EUR over the odds for anything cos of a flake.

I can't see anything in their two histories though that makes me think they work together. The seller has only sold two other items in his 36-item ebay career. He's not a serial scammer that's for sure.

Flanger8 has as I say a fairly long record with not much activity, and what there is is fine.

One's in Spain, one's in Portugal. Inconclusive.

If they are working together they're better than the average scammer at making it look kosher. Okay the bidding pattern could be taken as suspect, but overall it just doesn't really hang as a shill on the limited evidence, and I think ebay will agree (if they even bother to look). The worst they'll do is rap flanger8 for a retraction.

If the seller is pukka thay might cut you a deal, maybe sell for something between 2 and 2.5K, or at least chuck the shipping in for nowt - he's making a mint here after all. Ask him to tell Flanger8 you've pulled out and he can have it for 2500 - that should reveal flanger's true intentions

Ultimately though if you bid 2500 ebay will say you should pay it, and the seller will be within his rights to insist. It blows though.

[secretagent]

Sorry, I don't understand what you see unusual... The other bidder was a guy from Portugal that asked me before bidding, I don't know why he retracted but that's not a reason to doubt from me.
Anyway I'll forward you his message, so you can clear a little bit more your mind.

Please, let me know if you are going to buy the OB-Xa ASAP, to give it to the last bidder before you. And please, understand that a negative feedback will follow if you don't finish the transaction.

I'll do my best to solve this in a friendly way but a deadbeat makes me to waste time and money.

Please, let me know.

Regards.

Miguel.


Why can,t spanish people speak proper english