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Post by Minimoog on Oct 7, 2006 23:48:45 GMT
Well the nights are drawing in so we must cease our gamboling in the fields and seek shelter and comfort in the warming hum and glow of analogue circuitry. Or dreams thereof at least... With that in mind I invite you all to take part in the latest Dubsounds compo. At stake is the awe and respect of your peers and the knicker-felt admiration of that foxy lass with the straight fringe you caught the eye of at that electro club the other night #lurve# The aim is to record a piece of music/tune/song/noise within the the following constraints. They are pretty loose constraints as you'll see: 1. First and foremost you may only utilise only ONE SOUND SOURCE, which must be an ANALOGUE SYNTHESIZER. This means your entire composition must be composed on a SINGLE SYNTHESIZER. One. Uno. Ein. No more. You can put vocals on too if you want, but otherwise ONE SYNTH.
2. If you haven't got an analogue synthesizer, then a) why the hell not? - sort your life out ffs and b) OK fair enough I suppose while you're waiting for that ebay auction to end you may use a Virtual Analogue hardware synth instead, or alternatively a Software Synthesizer subject to Rule 3; 3. If you use a software synthesizer it must be a recognisable and obvious emulation of a real hardware analogue synthesizer. So things like Minimonsta, Pro53, Oddity, etc are OK. Things like Albino, FM7, or Delay Lama are not. 4. You may use whatever effects and recording techniques you wish. However, it would be cool if you could try to preserve at least some of the essence of your source synth: there is an underlying aim here (which I've just made up) of demonstrating the character and capabilities of your chosen chunk of analogue. I doubt anyone is too interested in hearing how good digital VST plugs are at obliterating whatever is fed into them. Well okay we are, but we'd like to hear the synth itself too. Your call, but this is an analogue synth forum first and foremost. Obviously you will be thought significantly sexier if you choose to use hardware analogue effects instead of computer plugs 5. You may declare your chosen synth to the forum at any time. Also it doesn't matter if more than one entrant uses the same synth (cue five JP4 entries...). 5. The deadline for submissions is 23:59, Sunday 10 December. Details on how and where to send your entries will follow once I've worked it out. 6. I haven't worked out judging criteria yet either, and I'm not sure that's so important. Maybe I'll come up with some, maybe not, but overall it'd be good if people just threw stuff in to be listened to and appreciated in a fairly non-competitive way. Saying that, if you come up with something stunning on a VL-Tone foxy girl might just break away from the guy with the Prophet 5 and head on over to you. So as Col said, less may be more. Be creative with what you choose. Okay there it is. Any questions, fire away!
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Post by spoonz on Oct 7, 2006 23:55:52 GMT
Just thought i might add for Gavin cos i don't know if he has synths software or otherwise that if you could do something solely and far out man on a guitar that could be considered an entry and we want hold it against you that you are an imposter
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Post by synthiaks on Oct 8, 2006 0:11:56 GMT
Okay there it is. Any questions, fire away! does a fart feedbacking through the re201 count as a synth?
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Post by synthiaks on Oct 8, 2006 0:32:52 GMT
Okay there it is. Any questions, fire away! does a fart feedbacking through the re201 count as a synth? yeh, anyway...what i mean't to ask is if it's ok to trigger the uno/single/solo synth with an outside source....i.e drum machine for a bit of rhythm?
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Post by Dubsounds on Oct 8, 2006 1:22:45 GMT
This whole idea is superb I'm happy for all the entries to be mailed into the dubsounds address and I will host them as per. I think this one is worth a main website page, so rather than post sporadic links, I'm thinking of having one link here to THE page. For myself, I haven't decided on what synth to use yet. JP-4 is an obvious choice and I'm very tempted for its range of sounds but then again, I'll have that (sorry Col) Pro Soloist by then and I remember being knocked out by that demo track Martin made on his Soloist. Then again, Martin has a knack for that sort of thing. I'd want to do the whole thing including synthesized drum sounds and everything but that's almost exactly what the League did so it may end up as Being Boiled 2 (not that there's anything wrong with that). I couldn't see mention of whether the songs have to be original or not but I spoke with Colin about this last night and he seems to think that it can be either. Also, two of the things came out of that conversation: It seems fairer to me if all presets are banned (VSTi emulations are totally rammed with them) - except of course in the case of the SH-2000/Pro Soloist where the synth is only preset. Also shouldn't multi-timbral workstation type analogues be out for the same reason? I was thinking of my ESQ-1 which to my mind still qualifies as analogue (and no, here is not the place to debate that) but it is designed for songwriting and would be too easy. Perhaps we chould pick out our weapons before hand so and objections could be raised before work starts? Or... Am I just over-complicating things? Anyway, top idea and one that's certain to produce some extreme results.
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Post by rpb1966 on Oct 8, 2006 2:43:35 GMT
Does this mean I can use my Nord Lead 3 then !!!!! ;D
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Post by Minimoog on Oct 8, 2006 6:10:45 GMT
I'd want to do the whole thing including synthesized drum sounds and everything but that's almost exactly what the League did so it may end up as Being Boiled 2 (not that there's anything wrong with that). I wasn't sure about whether drums needed their own rule or not. I was toying with the idea of allowing drum machines or samples too but decided not. Obviously this might force the tunes down a certain route, but that's up to the entrants to resolve I guess. Original or cover is fine by me. So no JP4 Bass or P5 bells then? Ouch. Not sure about this, although I take your point about VSTis. Ultimately though anything in a preset can be created on the panel so whilst it's lazy to browse through pages of presets it doesn't really matter IMO. BTW Using monosynth plugs in polyphonic mode will be considered slightly sneaky #razz02# I was expecting to have to rule on what's acceptable myself, but I prefer this idea of getting it out in the open for everyone's scrutiny up front ;D I'd rather not have any virtual analogues or softsynths involved but obviously not everyone is blessed with a proper synth so I think they have to be allowed. As a first screening criteria I think if it's in Peter Forrest's A-Z of Analogue Synthesizers then it's okay. That will knock just about any workstation out right there, including your Ensoniq. As to virtual analogues I think there's a fairly well established list of those, and I'll take a cue from what is considered on-topic over at Analogue Heaven. So Your JP8080, MS2000, and yes Russ your Nord Lead are all okay, but prepare to be sneered at by the Real Analogue snobs Of course if you reach for a Nord Modular you have all sorts of non-analoguey stuff to play with too, in which case we might hiss at you a bit too
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Post by Minimoog on Oct 8, 2006 9:15:18 GMT
By the way I think I'll be making life difficult for myself by using a broken Minimoog...
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Post by Minimoog on Oct 8, 2006 9:22:49 GMT
yeh, anyway...what i mean't to ask is if it's ok to trigger the uno/single/solo synth with an outside source....i.e drum machine for a bit of rhythm? Yup of course that's fine. If you like you can trigger it with a Flame Ionisation methane detector so you can still make use of that excess gas of yours
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Post by Dubsounds on Oct 8, 2006 10:09:54 GMT
Thanks for that. Just a couple more if that's ok... Could you just clarify that polyphony is ok (where it already existed) but using a vsti model outside the original machine's capabilities is not allowed. For example, it's ok to play a 60 minute jazz impro on a CP-30 but using polyphonic mode or the built in arpeggiator on the Arturia Minimoog is out (or does that count as triggering?) Sequencing. Assuming any methods of triggering are ok. Can I make drum sounds on my analogue and then sample them and trigger them in Orion to get machine timing as a backboone to my track or am I forced to record on the fly using CV/Gate only? In short - is "machine assist" ok as long as the sound is a genuine one from the synth in question? About presets... hell yeah! I think it would be far more interesting if we had a total ban full stop. I mean lets face it, any one of us could get killer bass sounds out of a Jup 4 that would eat the "bass preset" alive. Yeah/no?
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Post by Dubsounds on Oct 8, 2006 10:41:53 GMT
Does this mean I can use my Nord Lead 3 then !!!!! ;D NO!!! It bloody well doesn't Russ. What "SINGLE" analogue classic is that supposed to emulate? #grumpy# Moderator!!!You would ban my 20 year old ESQ-1 and allow that digital piece of shit swedish pretender. I'm taking my ball back............ Personally, I think we should have a special category for people like Russ who let's face it, is a bit of a spazz #rofl# Russ should be allowed to create a track using Nostalgia but he must ONLY use something from the original FAIRLIGHT library. Me... I shall be creating my entire track from a melodica. You'll believe anything #goofy#
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Post by TheProdigy on Oct 8, 2006 10:42:29 GMT
Err, stupid newb question:
Does that mean I can use multiple instances of my MiniMoog VST?
eg. 1 for Kick, 1 for Snare, 1 for bassline etc.
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Post by Minimoog on Oct 8, 2006 10:44:13 GMT
Well I'm open to the consensus of the board on these, but my thoughts are to keep it fairly loose within the 'one synth only' restriction. All the rules I've specified restrict what synths are allowable, not how you use them. Personally I'm anticipating having to rely on 'machine assistance' - i.e. sampling and sequencing - otherwise anything I do will be excruciating! I still don't think there's any harm in using presets if you really want to. I enjoyed mixing them in with bespoke patches on my JP4 demo f'rinstance. So using a bunch of impOSCar presets in fully polyphonic mode won't get your entry barred, but you may be open to accusations of unsportsmanlike behaviour and generally not upholding the spirit of the compo. Basically, just pick your axe and go for it ;D
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Post by Dubsounds on Oct 8, 2006 10:46:48 GMT
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Post by Dubsounds on Oct 8, 2006 10:50:01 GMT
How many entries per person Jords?
Since my last post, I've recorded 3½ albums on my melodica.
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Post by Minimoog on Oct 8, 2006 10:54:08 GMT
Like I said I'd like to exclude Nords and stuff but in the spirit of inclusion they are allowable. We might have to have two categories of entry though 1. Proper synths flown by proper guys with a steely glint in their eye and a firm hand on their knobs, 2. Damp-handed lame-ass digital wannabees with no class #goofy# Just kidding. Mark - no. I want it all in one pass with no overdubs and if you believe that you'll believe anything.
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Post by Minimoog on Oct 8, 2006 10:55:15 GMT
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Post by Gavin on Oct 8, 2006 11:56:01 GMT
Just thought i might add for Gavin cos i don't know if he has synths software or otherwise that if you could do something solely and far out man on a guitar that could be considered an entry and we want hold it against you that you are an imposter Cool. I do have an analogue synth btw. An Elka but it dosent have midi. Cant wait to get started on this.
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Post by rpb1966 on Oct 8, 2006 12:02:30 GMT
Your just a load of knob tugging slappers!!!!! #razz02# #rofl#
I VANT MINE NORD!!!!!! #badhair#
`kidding guys` #goofy#
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Post by Dubsounds on Oct 8, 2006 13:05:47 GMT
Your just a load of knob tugging slappers!!!!! #razz02# #rofl# And?
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